Sick of Sunday morning races?

Like many of you, I left my home Sunday morning and was surprised to find that I couldn’t get very far. A section of Gaston Avenue, which is a pretty major thoroughfare, was completely closed off, and no drivers could get through. I was headed to the home of a friend, who lives at Skillman and Velasco. It’s normally a 3-4 minute trip, but it took me 20 minutes on Sunday morning. I kept trying to circumvent the race route, and I kept running into it. It seemed to cut through all the neighborhoods around me — Lakewood, Lakewood Hills, Hollywood/Santa Monica, Lakewood Heights, Swiss Avenue … I heard later that neighbors in Lochwood were affected, and once I looked at the route, I saw that it cut through most of the neighborhoods around the lake, frequently on neighborhood streets.

I learned that the race was the Big D Marathon from Christina Hughes Babb, the Advocate‘s managing editor and one of our resident marathon runners. Though Babb is a runner, last year she criticized this race’s route, disturbances and lack of notification.

That element — the complete surprise of it — may have been worse than the number of streets shut down. All of it was enough to convince Maelissa Watson, who has lived on Lakeshore for 39 years, to write to us about her experience Sunday morning. She expressed her frustration not only with Sunday’s marathon but all of the other spring races:

Where is the balance in the public interest for homeowners who pay higher property taxes because of closeness to White Rock Lake, to accommodate those from other Metroplex subdivisions and, indeed, from far and wide to disrupt their normal lives? I have been living in my home for 39 years. Back then I recognized the beauty of the architecture, mature trees, and the importance of nature and wildlife at the lake. Realtors actually refused to show us Lakewood, pushing North Dallas and Highland Park. … Turtle Creek is a joy to behold, but I am quite sure Highland Park residents would not tolerate a marathon through their neighborhood for as many weekends as are cast upon Lakewood residents. … Alternate accommodation needs to be made for these runners and bicyclists who want to raise money for their organizations and other charitable purposes. … There are commercial spaces available, large tracts where cars are raced and stadium properties with miles and miles for running and cycling enthusiasts to run and cycle. Let the nonprofits rent family farms and run around the fields; it would be much healthier than running in a city where smog is so oppressive, especially Downtown. With that option, homeowners’ rights are not abused. … Homeowners need to alert their public representatives to alternatives to the abuse of their property rights, and insist on the reinstatement of the use and enjoyment of weekends in their neighborhoods.


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  • Johnjones

    You are completely missing the points made by these concerned residents, who rightly recognize the special nature of their neighborhood. Your comment about it taking 10 minutes is a farce. Why should we have to scour racing sites on a regular basis, or any other sites for that matter? The folks who put on the Fourth of July parade have it right, and provide ample notice with fliers and other means. If the racing organizations want to come into our neighborhood, they could at least act like guests instead of barging in like self-entitled jerks!

  • I wrote to the race organizers with  many of the same points. Lack of notice and lack of signage among them. I also learned that the police are supposed to let cars through during gaps in the runners. The police on the corner where I was stopped (Abrams just north of Gaston) said he COULD NOT interrupt the runners. After about 15 minutes, I ootched out of the line and went south to I-30 so I could drive to my destination at Mockingbird and Preston. 

    This same policeman was directing people to just drive a little further west and cross the race route. Given that the race was CIRCULAR, I’m not sure which part of that geometry he didn’t understand. If you’re encircled, there is no “driving west” to find a break. You’re just stuck!

    Please let our representatives know that this is unacceptable.

  • Haymags

    I too agree there are too many events in our neighborhood:  St. Patrick’s day; all those races.  Makes it very difficult to get around on the weekends.  And to Wilson!  who apparently doesn’t live in the area–just work takes them in the area—some of the streets are actually CLOSED so you can’t get your car out of the drive way!!! unless you move it the night before and park it several blocks away-you are stuck at home.  This happened on Easter weekend!!  I have contacted my council-person, Angela Hunt, but she never responds.!!!

  • Jordan

    really? I love the races… they make me proud that my neighborhood is a part of the city that the organizers want to show off. I especially love that the Big D Marathon comes right down my street and I can watch the runners from my house.

  • Wilson!

    I can’t believe all the unfriendly, entitled comments in this thread.  Living in Lakewood / East Dallas doesn’t give you any special rights to control what goes on at White Rock Lake – it belongs to Dallas, not Lakewood.  

    As far as the “nobody told ME” attitude, WAKE UP people!  If you’re intelligent enough to work a computer and whine here, you should be smart enough to check the various running schedules – Dallas Running Club, Run On, Luke’s Locker – if you hit those, you should have an idea about what’s happening on the weekends.  How do I know this?  Because my work takes me into the Kingdom of Lakewood regularly on the weekends.  It takes about 10 minutes on a Thursday or Friday evening to figure out where the trouble spots are going to be, and how to avoid them. 

    If you’re unhappy about how your neighborhood is being used by running groups, here’s an idea – get involved in the groups that put the events on!  Get involved with your neighborhood association, and get to know your city councilperson.  It’s much easier to affect change by working from the inside than it is to stand on the outside and point fingers and throw stones.  I’d bet money that some of these events get discussed at your neighborhood association meetings – if nobody shows up to voice their displeasure, how are the organizers going to know you don’t want them in your neighborhood?

  • GreeninDallas

    As someone who paid to live by the lake, I try to be ever so considerate of other people. I would love to ride early on saturday to avoid slowing traffic or staying away from family time… but I can’t. Now that it’s warmer, there is a 5k and 15k just about every saturday morning on the trail… where else do I go? I moved here to access the lake, but runner seem to have priority. I don’t know where anyone is talking about cyclists events blocking roads, as far as I know the only thing that did was Tour of Dallas… other then that, were on our own. Run events on the other hand shut down streets and take over the trail VERY VERY often. 

    Now, I’ll have to put the bike in the car to go and bike around the airport to avoid all of this. How in the hell does that make sense when I bought here for the lake? I don’t see any other way for now. 

  • Macepie

    move the races around the city not just lakewood

  • over it

    I vote for the park cities!  

  • over it

    Who cares if we are all runners/cyclists!  This issue is about being trapped in our homes way too many times during races.  Let them have these races in their neighborhoods and find out how annoying and inconvenient they are.  

  • Lenard Pierson

    Yes, just because White Rock Lake is basically the only Dallas park of any beauty and importance, we residents are favored with lots of people coming from other less taxed parts of town to enjoy what made us move here. It is time to put a cap on this free riding of the bikers and runners that congregate at the lake much too often. Let them find another venue to practice their healthy lifestyles and fundraising activities. Maybe if Dallas had been more people conscious it would have devoted more land to larger parks, such as NYC’s Central Park, and would not be so heavily dependent on White Rock Lake.

  • amy

    I don’t disagree, but would settle for at least clear communication on how to get AROUND these races. Showing just the route doesn’t help-we need to know where roads ARE accessible. I work retail on Sunday’s and dread my “short” commute on race days.

  • Chris Canellos

    Amen Sister. As a business owner and resident in the neighborhood I to have grown tired of all the events. There are times that I can’t get out of my drive way to take my family to church on Sundays. It also makes it difficult for my customers to access our store. There needs to be a limit placed on such races so we can balance our right to enjoy where we live. Charity is a wonderful thing and at Burger House we try to help this community as much as we can but there are days when these events really inconvenience our patrons. Regards , Chris Canellos    

  • Annie

    I live on Lakewood Boulevard…I love that our neighborhood is ‘the place to go’ for events…we should all be proud of that!  However, I have, on more than one occassion, been late for work on a weekend (yes, I work weekends) due to unannounced street closures in the area for various events.  I think if there was a way to allow traffic thru at safe intervals when there is a gap in the participants it wouldn’t be a problem.  I don’t mind waiting several minutes for a safe window to cross.  I really don’t like the roads that are blocked with the wooden barriers…especially where there isn’t a participant in site and it is 3pm in the afternoon.

    Anyway, I think that a collaborative approach to a solution is much more productive for this challenge.

  • SB

    We love to run but when you live around the lake and have to drive around it to get to most of your destinations, you are at the mercy of Garland, Gaston, Buckner & Mockingbird – and the neighborhoods that surround those streets.

    Last Sunday, with that marathon route the only direction we could have gone from our house on the NE side of the lake was South or go through neighborhoods. It took us 30 min to get from the Arboretum to Skillman and Live Oak.

    There’s some kind of race – 5K to marathon – at least once a month and while I don’t mind sharing our beautiful neighborhood, it’s a bit excessive. What about Oak Cliff or the Twin Cities or that Santa Fe Trail or the Katy Trail?

  • SB
  •  No kidding on the traffic cops. There was once one lady cop who I was trying to ask where there might be a break in the race set up for cars. She gave me a deaf ear (mind you NO ONE was running by her at this time). When I finally was shouting (nicely) loud enough so that she couldn’t ignore me she just started talking to her self how I was just gonna cuss her out and kept saying ‘no’. It was so bizarre. She would not answer my question at all.

    I think if they are going to have these marathons they need to inform their traffic cops that they have to interact with the neighborhood, and truly direct traffic.

    (they also need to not hire people who don’t have all of their wits about them)

  • I am so tired of these races. The day after one recent race I was walking down Swiss to find the streets STILL littered with gloves, cups, bottles, band-aids, socks and trash. I’m not talking a few here and there, these items were all over!!!

    Dallas has a lovely trail system and a lake. Figure it out. AND clean up your event’s litter!!!

    My neighbors and I have been stranded so many times that we have started the Lakewood Mimosa Network, activated on any race day. Neighbors just walk to eachothers houses and brunch. What else can you do? The rest of your day is shot.

  • Grestex

    in Big D’s defense they did have signs unlike the other races that run through the neighborhood. As a homeowner near White Rock I’m not only tired of the running races but the cyclists that ride two by two on the road making it unable to pass. Not to mention all of the traffic violations they make. I’ve had enough. Let them run the races in their own neighborhoods!

  • Dtaylortx

    Seems to me that there is a great opportunity to use the much touted Sante Fe trail for these races.
    Certainly would reduce the delays mentioned above.
    I double dog ditto all the remarks made on this issue.

  • Trulyunruhly

    Thank you, Advocate and others, for finally addressing this issue.  I too was caught up in no less than three stoppages on my way to my church, located inconveniently it seems at Preston and Mockingbird.  As the crow flies, not too far from our home in Little Forest Hills.  But I was late to the church, and nearly too late to sing in choir that morning, thanks to yet ANOTHER race.  As usual, not being a runner, I was not sure which race this was.  Advertising?  nope.  Having lived on Swiss ave adn Gaston for many years prior to this, it still doesn’t get any easier.  Folks, find ANOTHER PLACE to have your marathons!  Once a year is all we neighbors should have to deal with being stuck idling while a paid traffic nazi decides the gap is wide enought between runners to let me go (it was WAY wide enough and she still wouldn’t let us go!)  Look, I don’t bother others with my interests and hobbies so I don’t think it’s fair that a bunch of smug runners (yes I know you’re all
    thin and healthy, good for you)  to take over our streets two, three, however many times per years (it seems like 10).  There are many nice places to run in Dallas.  Get on your Adidas and go for it. cau 

  • Lakewoody

    Every race inconveniences me, blocks me in so I cannot get
    north of Swiss without being creative, patient or going FAR out of my way.  And while it’s a hassle at times, I
    love it.  It’s a sign that this
    community is attractive for events, that more events are taking place in our
    city. Since there are more events, and they are getting larger each time, then
    either more people are coming to Dallas for our events (good for business) or
    more locals are making healthier choices (good for humanity) – and hopefully,
    both are true.  I am glad that my
    kids see these events and want to take part in them in the future. 

     

    I find that ALMOST all organizers do what they can to make
    events neighborhood friendly.  
    True EVENT races, like WR, should be a celebration of the neighborhoods
    in which they run.  Most organizers
    also clean up well after themselves – sometimes leaving the streets cleaner
    than before the event. 

     

    I do fault Big D for both their unconventional routing and
    lack of communication.  Other
    recent events, including WR, Rock and Roll and the recent cycling event, were
    much clearer in their communication and planning.

     

    Like it or not, Dallas is growing and these events are going
    to become more frequent and larger. 
    Larger events cannot limit themselves to the trails. They are just not
    wide enough NOR are they safe because access to the trail is so limited should
    someone need medical assistance.  
    I chose to embrace well run events in our community, voice objection and
    make constructive suggestions when events are poorly thought out or implemented
    and embrace the occasional Saturday or Sunday morning when thousands or more
    wind their way through our beautiful tree-lined streets . . many of them
    wishing they had the foresight to move into such a convenient and lovely
    neighborhood.

  • KK

    The issue is notificaiton! The White Rock M. puts little signs out at least a week ahead of time, they have advertizing in papers, at locations all over town…we know it is coming.  Like many I like the occational run but notify not just the homeowners but the neighborhoods surrounding we have to get places on our local city roads and not knowing there is a race does not give us a chance to modify our route.

  • Jennifw

    Is there a solidified race calendar that would show all of the races in my area? I am in Lakewood, but on a smaller street so I am not directly notified of the races. The differences in signage is HUGE.  The Hot Chocolate Race had big electronic signs up and down Abrams for weeks prior to their race. I knew it was coming and could paln accordingly. I don’t remember even seeing a single sign for the Big D marathon. I only knew about it from having friends running.

  • txdancergal

    It also affects neighborhoods that are not directly on White Rock Lake, and on Saturdays as well. I also do volunteer work on Saturdays that takes me to the downtown area, which is also inundated with bikers, walkers, runners, etc.  A few weeks ago I had to detour twice in my own neighborhood, and four times on the way downtown to get around bikers.  Enough is enough!!!!!

  • Letthemwin

    Someone PLEASE explain to me why they have to block streets for these events???? There are walk/bike paths around the whole lake. When I was younger I walked the March of Dimes event for years and I dont recall there being blocked off streets. It is senseless, not to mention a waste of taxpayers money for the extra police and labor to put out the blockades. 

  • Carolephill

    Thank you very much for addressing this problem.  I too was frustrated trying to get from my home to go to church, took about 15 minutes.  There was a line of cars on Dixfield trying to get out to Easton Rd.  People turned around in the middle of the street trying to get out.  This is the worse I have ever seen and have lived in this area for over 30 years.  I kept wondering with all the space around White Rock Lake and a lot of other neighborhoods why it seems to always be around this particular neighbor.    Please someone help us.  Find an alternate route.

  • Tbarker

    Recap:  The variety of commentary indicates that it is time to get  DPD, DPARD, Park Board, Street Dpt, City Council in one room with media and citizens.  2006 was a long time ago and the issues have not abated for runs, rides.  Many facets other than this one topic.

  • Tbarker

    PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONIf the estimated number of participants and spectators exceed 500 during any day of the special event, the applicant shall, at least 30 days before the special event begins, deliver written notice to all owners or occupants of real property abutting the boundariesof the area in which the special event will be conducted, including all owners or occupants of real property abutting the route of a progressive event such as a special event parade or run/walk event. The notice must include the following information: (1) event date, time and location; (2) an application for a special event permit has been filed; (3) interested persons may contact the Office of Special Events at 650 S. Griffin Street, Dallas, Texas 75202, (214) 939-2701. INSURANCEINSURANCEIf

  • NetContributor

    I contacted a race organizer about this requirement after finding myself blocked from leaving my street.  The race organizer told me they were only required to notify anyone whose house they were actually running past.  I’m not sure this is correct, but this is the standard the race organizer said he had met in terms of notice to homeowners.

  • CitizenKane

    If you don’t get that this is a hot button issue with many residents then I can’t explain it to you…What’s your deal?

  • Runner

    It’s a deal. Just tell me the dates and I will be smart enough to make prior arrangements if I have to be somewhere or I will be out there… And by the way,  my driveway is one of those that is blocked.. I pay attention to signage.  And, most of these larger races are annual events. So, I know every December I look for the date of the WRM and every April I know the Big D is coming around… Now, there are some other smaller ones, but I just don’t find it a hassle… 

  • Mark Manson

    Sooo, how ’bout that bike ride?

  • Why are you so angry in a public, neighborhood space like this forum? What’s your deal?

  • CitizenKane

    But of course shut up if they disagree with your own.

  • CitizenKane

    Wrong;  you stated that there are multiple half-marathons as well…and you slyly ignore the 5Ks, the 10ks, and all the other less than marathon events that utilize the park;  making it off limits for most other citizens.

  • CitizenKane

    Directing taffic in and out of parking lot vs. closing off major roads and intersections thru parts of the city?

    You think this is the same standard?

    Shows how extreme the pro cycling lobby is.

  • CitizenKane

    You seem to have a firm grasp on my politics;  glad to see you are so divine; but your comprehension falls short.

    I guess you think that citizens should shut up about city hall polcies once the decision is made.

  • Lee Gibson

    Tell you what, Runner. One Sunday a month for the next year I’m going to come over to your house and block your driveway while I take a walk around your neighborhood for a few hours. You’re invited to cheer me on.

  • Tbarker

    Well stated.  There are a couple other club runs that have route issues.  The Park Dpt has had many meetings about these but nothing seems to get done.  The Oct 2006 Summit was the last large public meeting about issues.

  • amc

    We’re fortunate to live in a beautiful neighborhood in Dallas, and I don’t mind sharing it with runners and bikers. Sometimes that’s me out there.

    But there has to be a better central way to notify the neighborhoods about the closures. When it’s your route getting blocked from an important destination for 30 mins or more, it doesn’t matter if it’s a lowly 5K or an impressive marathon. At times, the roads are completely closed and drivers are out of luck, so find an alternate route. Being aware ahead of time at least allows for planning.

    The neighborhood is overwhelmingly supportive of the White Rock Marathon. It’s an unofficial holiday. The Big D Marathon always seems to be poorly planned in terms of neighborhood awareness and is responsible for annual gripes.

  • Soniaplatz

    I love Maelissa Watson’s comment….couldnt have said it better myself.  amazing this craziness has been going on as long as it has…

  • Anonymous

    “The right to use our streets and parks should be regulated”

    Good thing they are then.

    “your “marathon industry””

    I have never participated in a marathon, nor do I work for a marathon, nor do I know anyone who does. I am pointing out that the complaints do not square with reality. I do this quite often. I find far too many people in our general neighborhood are reflexively against everything. Whereas I love living in a city and want our area to continue to grow into the finest example of (semi)urban living in the country. Events that bring people here are an important part of that to me.

    “There are too many events thru our neighborhoods.”

    Is that you are against the handful of events or that you are against people being in our neighborhoods? Or just that you don’t like being mildly inconvenienced whilst in your automobile? I would point out to anyone who feels “stuck” that any race path is always permeable by foot.

    “The city has the right to manage and restrict these events.”

    Lucky for us the city exercises this right. It’s a bit odd to hear the championing of governmental rights from you though. What is it they say about bedfellows?

  • Mark Manson

    Actually, there are churches all over the city that have police directing traffic in and out of their parking lots on Sundays, so it does inconvenience me and potentially 1000s of people.
     But, be that as it may, Mr. (or Ms?) CitizenKane, I feel that a nice, leisurely bicycle ride could do wonders for your pent-up hostilities.

  • CitizenKane

    The right to use our streets and parks should be regulated;  what you don’t seeem to get is that most people think your “marathon industry” isn’t regulated enough.   There are too many events thru our neighborhoods.

    The city has the right to manage and restrict these events.

  • Anonymous

    Oh or maybe the:

    Runs/WalksSpecial event feePer participant fee $200 $2 (minimum of 100)

  • Anonymous

    You mean like the Special Events or FestivalsFees ranging from $50 to $10,000

    http://www.dallasparks.org/reservations/reservations.aspx

    We are eagerly awiating your newfound approval of the local governemnt.

  • CitizenKane

    Tax them out of existence !

  • CitizenKane

    If the city of Dallas can charge homeowners $15 for a garage sale permit in which maybe 20 people show up and only a handful of neighbors are inconvenienced; how about the city charging these events tens of thousands of dollars for their activity?  An activity that draws thousands and  inconvenineces whole parts of the city.  Utilizing city resources and infrastructure ! 

  • CitizenKane

    My going/coming from church doesn’t restrict or othersie inconveninece your ability to ride your bicycle or do other things of your choosing.  But your event, closing off streets, prevents many more others from the same. 

  • Tbarker

    All events are required to send mailed notices to anyone and any business to be impacted by a Special Event.   Call the Street Dept, the DPARD and your City Councilman to let them know.  The contracts require such notice.

  • I believe the complaint is that we are often not informed about such events and it is reaching out to far beyond the lake into neighborhoods all over East Dallas. It’s difficult when you wake up on Sunday morning, want to go get coffee and are blocked in in every direction that you try to go.

    I’m a runner and cyclists as well, and I’m glad there are many outdoor events for us to participate in, but they definitely need to find a way to let the community know better. I have no clue how to find out when parts of the lake will be shut down for private events (like that little league thing a few weeks ago) or when certain streets will be inaccessible. If I could go to one website or get a monthly email to tell about street/park closures for the weekends, that would go a long ways. Maybe you can link us to this race calendar at least.

    Also, I think you’re confused about private/public. It is infuriating when I go to the lake on the weekend and am denied access to significant parts of it because of a private event. 

  • Tbarker

    Bob et al,  from recent Open Records Request examinations, there are still inadequate audits by DPARD on running events. Not pushed the envelope on this but would not be surprised at results of in-depth examination.

  • Anonymous

    The Rock and Roll is only a half marathon. I understand that most laymen call any event, or any size or distance, “a marathon” (scare quotes entirely necessary), but there is a large and distinct difference. A marathon attracts thousands, even tens of thousands of participants. It lasts upwards of 8 hours and affects large portions of the region at the same time. All other events pale in comparison. A half marathon lasts, guess what, half the time. A 5k lasts maybe an hour and might not even merit a traffic closure.

    You are worked up comparing every single event to these two events that affect large swaths of the area (even Highland Park! clutch the pearls ladies).

    Your last comment about “loud and large” groups being in your neighborhood is most telling. You do not own the street. I do not own the street. It is not private property. It is not a gated community. Those people have every right to be on “your street”. The only accommodation necessary is that you recognize this as such.

  • Mark Manson

    Griping about it being difficult to get to church could be viewed as self-serving propaganda by some. Shouldn’t one be happy to go to church regardless of the difficulty?

  • Tejasmom

     There were 3 Marathons in the the last 4 months – White Rock, Rock and Roll and last weekend’s Big D.  I saw some signs for Big D, but  my neighbors never received any notice that their street would be closed.  Same thing with Tour Dallas.  I was expecting it, but no notice my street would be impassible  for  a few hours.  Especially unnerving to see  a biker hit by a pizza delivery truck in front of my house and get hauled off in an ambulance.  My husband runs White Rock every year, so I am not opposed to marathons, just think the number should be limited, and more consideration of the neighbors who live here.  Just wait a few months when  the training teams start rolling through Lakewood preparing for White Rock.  They are loud and large in number on Saturday mornings. There needs to be some accommodation on both sides.

  • Anonymous

    There are only 2 marathons a year and one of them, the White Rock Marathon, traverses Highland Park.

  • Runner

    Preface: Yes, I am a runner and use the lake a lot….. The races have made an effort to warn neighbors about the road closures. People, pay attention to the signs and make arrangements! It is not every weekend. Why are you all so entitled? And, how neighborly of you to want the races moved to another neighborhood. That’s a nice “let someone else be inconvenienced, as long as it is not me” attitude.  These people are out there reaching goals that they have trained for. Instead of getting all upset, stop for a second and applaud them. I live by the lake off of Lawther, on most race routes. I make arrangements or I just go out there and cheer. And what about all of the people that cruise the lake on pretty weekends and make traffic pretty dicey. Should we just shut down the lake for your private use? The city and parks department are already making it hard to hold races. So, please hold off your complaints and think about the big picture. Or, if it’s too much, just move. But, before you do that you might want to look at a race calendar. Lakewood isn’t the only area that has races… 

  • CitizenKane

    What is the difference between a private and public event?

    They both result in the same inconvenience.

    The whole thing is outta control…..way too many events scheduled at the lake and eelsewhere

  • Bob Loblaw

    There is almost never a biking event at the Lake.  The Tour of Dallas is basically the only one,–although there are a couple of biathalon events.  Bicycles near the Park may be a pain for different reasons, but it’s nothing to do with the issue of private-events closing the public park and burdening the neighborhoods,–that is 95% runs.

  • Bob Loblaw

    The public was entirely unable to access the public Park on Sunday morning because of a private, fee-based event.   And the problem wasn’t just this Sunday (which was a genuine, unexpected pain), the Parks Department issues permits to effectively close the Park for  nearly every Saturday and every Sunday.  And this is despite the fact that the City Auditors found, several years ago, that many of the organizers were not bothering to pay the required fees.  It is a complete mystery why this continues,–the neighborhoods and Park users have complained for years.

  • Sudeley

    They can run around the lake all they want. But the lake isn’t at the corner of Swiss and LaVista or Skillman  or on Richmond or Belmont or any other of the great number of public thoroughfares they arbitrarily close.

  • Cephus

    The lake has only been a source of recreation for this city since 1910.  Unless you bought your house prior to 1909 then I would suggest you complain to your Realtor for not letting you in on the fact that people will use the lake for many different activities on weekends and at times it will get crowded.  Otherwise, I suggest you move to another part of town.

  • NetContributor

    Question, questions.  Who approves these races/marathons, and based on what criteria?  Do the race organizers pay a minimal fee to the City in exchange for a license to exclude others from the roads?  If so, why doesn’t the City raise the bar and require, say, some form of proof from the organizers that the race will raise a minimum of $100k or so that will go to charity (not to pay the race organizers or expenses)?  Why doesn’t the City use some of the money they’re presumably getting from the race organizers to keep a publicly accessible calendar of events on its website?

  • Eric Holmes

    Do you think people that live near Fair Park have complaints or did they just happen to choose a bad place to live? What about people that live near airports? Do people that live in Grapevine, Coppell, Irving and the rest of the mid-cities have a complaint because of the traffic caused by travelers? People that back up to the Dart Line should have known better before they bought, right? The list of complaints goes on and on, but they never make sense until they’re in your backyard.

    Runners and bikers and charities aren’t the issue. The mentality that somehow you have more right to the lake or the surrounding roads more than others is the issue. BTW, there are other races that go on throughout the city and suburbs. You’re just not looking or you’re choosing to ignore it because it ruins your paper thin complaint. The warrior dash is a two day event this weekend in Roanoke that will have thousands of runners competing in it. 

  • Dawn

    It’s too much. A couple a year with plenty of notice? Fine. But I can’t be expected to leave my house 30 minutes early every Sunday morning just in case … and that’s about what it’s become. I have friends in these races and appreciate the need. But don’t block me in my own neighborhood. Or, at the very least, stop the race and let us get through. 

  • CitizenKane

    Self serving propoganda.   All those things can be accomplished without taxpayers spending milions buildng bike lanes for cyclists

  • CitizenKane

    Self serving propoganda.   All those things can be accomplished without taxpayers spending milions buildng bike lanes for cyclists

  • Milly

    The WR marathon?  Fantastic, love it, loads of support from the neighborhood, lots of cheering, etc.  My kids’ Sunday school is canceled to accommodate it, and that seems OK to me.

    Every-other-week bike races/runs?  We shouldn’t have to deal with that, it’s too much.  Once a quarter seems like a good number.  Limit it to that, and let the charities who can get the most local support have the spots.  We know all of Dallas loves the lake, and we want them to.  But we live here, and have a right to be able to navigate the roads without regular hassle.

  • Mark Manson

    The Dallas bicycle lobby also wants to curb the obesity problem amongst children, improve public health, lessen the impact on the enviroment, create more public space, and create safe routes to schools. Bike lanes are not just for the people who use them.

  • Eric Holmes

    It’s a marathon folks. People are enjoying the outdoors exercising. The lake is a citywide treasure, not a long time resident treasure. My taxes and their taxes go towards the maintenance of the lake and the streets too. 

    Instead of complaining, I encourage you all to go out and volunteer or participate at one of the events. If that’s not your cup of tea then cheer on the runners. They’ll appreciate it and you might actually enjoy it. 

    Life is too short to complain about people running a marathon through your neighborhood. In addition, it’s one of the main reasons that our property values are where they are. People want to live near the lake for the same reasons you do and they like to exercise.Or I could be wrong and I’d also like to suggest that we get rid of the school zones and parks because there’s too many dang kids in these neighborhoods too.

  • CitizenKane

    And the bicycle lobby wants Dallas citizens to pay millions ($$) to build bike lanes for them.

  • CitizenKane

    It makes getting to chruch very difficult.

    The week before, an event (small) had 2 lanes of traffic along Garland Road closed.  It was needless.  The police were present and should never have allowed closing 2 lanes of Garland Road closed at 9;30- am Saturday.

    Why in the hell do taxpayers build bike/running paths if these self centered performers demand to use our roads?

  • Lee Gibson

    I am glad to see someone who can’t be written off as a grumpy curmudgeon take up this issue. These people, with their casual and entitled disregard for eveyone else’s convenience, need to be regulated far better than they are. Thank you! 

  • Sudeley

    I’m totally sick of it. Years ago these races through our neighborhood were a couple of times a year. Now they seem almost monthly. It’s time they pick on Oak Cliff or the Park Cities or West Dallas and leave us alone already!!